The Truth About Homosexuality
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The Truth About Homosexuality
by Fr. John Harvey, O.S.F.S. (Ignatius Press, 1996)
"There is a whole population being ignored today by the psychological field. Those who have Same Sex Attraction and want the opportunity to be healed. I pray the following information is beneficial and encourages many to search for professionals that are aware and trained to work with men and women who have Same Sex Attraction." Mary Camejo
The Origins and Healing
of Homosexual Attractions
and Behaviors
Richard P. Fitzgibbons, M.D.
At the present time most Catholics have little to no understanding of the emotional causes of homosexual attractions and behavior nor of the powerful role that Catholic spirituality can play in the healing of this disorder. The reasons for this state of ignorance are numerous and include the scant literature available on the value of the Catholic Faith and sacraments in the resolution of homosexual attractions and acts; failure of traditional therapy to resolve homosexual behavior; views within the American Psychiatric and Psychological Associations that homosexuality is not a disorder; and the influence of powerful groups within the media and educational, social service, health and political fields. In addition, there are many factions within the Church herself that are opposed to and are attempting to undermine traditional Catholic moral doctrine on this issue.
The Truth About Homosexuality
by Fr. John Harvey, O.S.F.S. (Ignatius Press, 1996)
"There is a whole population being ignored today by the psychological field. Those who have Same Sex Attraction and want the opportunity to be healed. I pray the following information is beneficial and encourages many to search for professionals that are aware and trained to work with men and women who have Same Sex Attraction." Mary Camejo
The Origins and Healing
of Homosexual Attractions
and Behaviors
Richard P. Fitzgibbons, M.D.
At the present time most Catholics have little to no understanding of the emotional causes of homosexual attractions and behavior nor of the powerful role that Catholic spirituality can play in the healing of this disorder. The reasons for this state of ignorance are numerous and include the scant literature available on the value of the Catholic Faith and sacraments in the resolution of homosexual attractions and acts; failure of traditional therapy to resolve homosexual behavior; views within the American Psychiatric and Psychological Associations that homosexuality is not a disorder; and the influence of powerful groups within the media and educational, social service, health and political fields. In addition, there are many factions within the Church herself that are opposed to and are attempting to undermine traditional Catholic moral doctrine on this issue.
The Truth About Homosexuality
by Fr. John Harvey, O.S.F.S. (Ignatius Press, 1996)
Continued...
The failure to understand the actual causes of homosexuality impacts those who counsel teenagers and adults with this disorder. Therapists regularly tell those seeking help that the Church's teaching on homosexuality is insensitive to homosexuals, unscientific, and erroneous. They are advised to accept themselves as being created homosexual by God. Unfortunately, those giving such counsel usually have little awareness of the emotional conflicts leading to homosexual attractions nor of the healing power available with forgiveness and Catholic spirituality.
In my clinical experience over the past twenty years I have witnessed the resolution of the emotional pain which caused homosexual temptations and behavior in several hundred males and females. Their process of healing occurred, first, through insight-oriented psychotherapy to identify the origins of their conflicts and then through the use of forgiveness and Catholic spirituality. Such a treatment approach is similar in ways to the employment of spirituality in the treatment of substance abuse disorders. In fact, major breakthroughs were made in the management of addictive disorders only after a reliance on God was made the cornerstone of the treatment plan. Prior to that time, traditional psychotherapy alone resulted in minimal improvement. The use of Catholic spirituality in the treatment of homosexuality follows a similar pattern.
Origins
The most common conflicts at different life stages that predispose individuals to homosexual attractions and behavior are loneliness and sadness, mistrust and fear, profound feelings of inadequacy and a lack of self-acceptance, narcissism, excessive anger, sexual abuse in childhood and a lack of balance in one's life coupled with overwhelming feelings of responsibility. During times of stress these inner difficulties are activated. In an attempt to seek relief or to escape from this unconscious emotional pain, strong sexual temptations and behavior can occur. This dynamic of inner emotional suffering leading to homosexual desires and activity rarely can begin during childhood but usually it develops in early adolescence. However, adult life may be the first time for the emergence of this disorder.
by Fr. John Harvey, O.S.F.S. (Ignatius Press, 1996)
Continued...
The failure to understand the actual causes of homosexuality impacts those who counsel teenagers and adults with this disorder. Therapists regularly tell those seeking help that the Church's teaching on homosexuality is insensitive to homosexuals, unscientific, and erroneous. They are advised to accept themselves as being created homosexual by God. Unfortunately, those giving such counsel usually have little awareness of the emotional conflicts leading to homosexual attractions nor of the healing power available with forgiveness and Catholic spirituality.
In my clinical experience over the past twenty years I have witnessed the resolution of the emotional pain which caused homosexual temptations and behavior in several hundred males and females. Their process of healing occurred, first, through insight-oriented psychotherapy to identify the origins of their conflicts and then through the use of forgiveness and Catholic spirituality. Such a treatment approach is similar in ways to the employment of spirituality in the treatment of substance abuse disorders. In fact, major breakthroughs were made in the management of addictive disorders only after a reliance on God was made the cornerstone of the treatment plan. Prior to that time, traditional psychotherapy alone resulted in minimal improvement. The use of Catholic spirituality in the treatment of homosexuality follows a similar pattern.
Origins
The most common conflicts at different life stages that predispose individuals to homosexual attractions and behavior are loneliness and sadness, mistrust and fear, profound feelings of inadequacy and a lack of self-acceptance, narcissism, excessive anger, sexual abuse in childhood and a lack of balance in one's life coupled with overwhelming feelings of responsibility. During times of stress these inner difficulties are activated. In an attempt to seek relief or to escape from this unconscious emotional pain, strong sexual temptations and behavior can occur. This dynamic of inner emotional suffering leading to homosexual desires and activity rarely can begin during childhood but usually it develops in early adolescence. However, adult life may be the first time for the emergence of this disorder.
It's quite a long article .. what I'll post next is just the outline of the rest.
Sadness and Loneliness
The most frequently seen cause of sadness in the past leading to homosexual attractions in males was the result of childhood and adolescent rejection by peers because of very limited athletic abilities.
Weak Masculine Identity
Another important cause of homosexual temptations and acting-out behavior is the result of strong feelings of insecurity. A lack of confidence may arise from rejection by parents, peers, siblings, and other significant people in whom one wanted to invest trust. In an unconscious attempt to undo the earlier life rejection, a person may seek validation and acceptance from members of the same sex. In my clinical experience this painful emotional conflict is seen much more frequently in males.
Fear and Mistrust
Fear of vulnerability to heterosexual relationships is another important factor in the development of homosexual attractions.
Addictive Disorder
The sexually compulsive, highly reckless, and life-threatening behavior in a large percentage of homosexuals would indicate the presence of an addictive disorder in these individuals.
Narcissism
Narcissism or selfishness is another major factor influencing the attraction to the homosexual lifestyle. The appeal here is multifaceted and includes not having to make a total commitment to one person and not having to give oneself completely as a parent. There is a desire to remain childlike with minimal obligations in relationships and few limitations to the pursuit of pleasure. Hedonism is associated with many people involved in the homosexual behavior.
Sadness and Loneliness
The most frequently seen cause of sadness in the past leading to homosexual attractions in males was the result of childhood and adolescent rejection by peers because of very limited athletic abilities.
Weak Masculine Identity
Another important cause of homosexual temptations and acting-out behavior is the result of strong feelings of insecurity. A lack of confidence may arise from rejection by parents, peers, siblings, and other significant people in whom one wanted to invest trust. In an unconscious attempt to undo the earlier life rejection, a person may seek validation and acceptance from members of the same sex. In my clinical experience this painful emotional conflict is seen much more frequently in males.
Fear and Mistrust
Fear of vulnerability to heterosexual relationships is another important factor in the development of homosexual attractions.
Addictive Disorder
The sexually compulsive, highly reckless, and life-threatening behavior in a large percentage of homosexuals would indicate the presence of an addictive disorder in these individuals.
Narcissism
Narcissism or selfishness is another major factor influencing the attraction to the homosexual lifestyle. The appeal here is multifaceted and includes not having to make a total commitment to one person and not having to give oneself completely as a parent. There is a desire to remain childlike with minimal obligations in relationships and few limitations to the pursuit of pleasure. Hedonism is associated with many people involved in the homosexual behavior.
Attempts to Flee from an Excessive Sense of Responsibility
Some people attempt to escape from excessive pressures and burdens by engaging in homosexual activities in which there is no commitment, obligation, or responsibility.
Sexual Trauma in Childhood
A number of males who were raped or sexually abused by older males in childhood develop confusion about their masculine identity.
Anger
The most significant type of anger influencing the development of homosexual attractions in childhood is anger with oneself.
Some people attempt to escape from excessive pressures and burdens by engaging in homosexual activities in which there is no commitment, obligation, or responsibility.
Sexual Trauma in Childhood
A number of males who were raped or sexually abused by older males in childhood develop confusion about their masculine identity.
Anger
The most significant type of anger influencing the development of homosexual attractions in childhood is anger with oneself.
B. The Healing of Homosexual Attractions and Behaviors
The healing of those with homosexual attractions involves a process of understanding compassionately the emotional hurts they have experienced, resolving the anger with those who have inflicted pain through a process of forgiveness, utilizing cognitive and behavioral techniques, admitting powerlessness over their emotional suffering, and relying upon Catholic spirituality and the sacraments. While each of these steps is important, in my clinical experience over the past twenty years treating several hundred adolescents and adults, the cornerstone to recovery is the combination of forgiveness and spirituality. No amount of insight, adult love and affirmation, assertiveness, or behavioral and cognitive changes can resolve the profoundly deep emotional wounds present within these individuals. Only God's love is powerful enough to overcome the painful loneliness and sadness, insecurities and fears by providing a feeling of being deeply loved, special, and safe at every life stage. As the emotional wounds are healed, homosexual attractions and behaviors diminish and eventually disappear.
In regard to the success of psychotherapy in treating homosexuality, in 1962 Bieber reported a cure rate from psychoanalysis of 27 percent. A recent survey of 285 psychoanalysts who had treated 1,215 homosexual patients revealed that 23 percent of their patients changed to heterosexuality. These traditional treatment approaches did not utilize either a process of forgiveness for resolving the inner resentment or Christian spirituality and meditation for the sadness, low self-esteem, and mistrust. In marked contrast, when forgiveness and Christian spirituality are essential parts of the treatment, it has been my clinical experience that the recovery rate from the emotional pain and subsequent homosexual behavior approaches 100% in those who are truly committed to the process.
The healing of those with homosexual attractions involves a process of understanding compassionately the emotional hurts they have experienced, resolving the anger with those who have inflicted pain through a process of forgiveness, utilizing cognitive and behavioral techniques, admitting powerlessness over their emotional suffering, and relying upon Catholic spirituality and the sacraments. While each of these steps is important, in my clinical experience over the past twenty years treating several hundred adolescents and adults, the cornerstone to recovery is the combination of forgiveness and spirituality. No amount of insight, adult love and affirmation, assertiveness, or behavioral and cognitive changes can resolve the profoundly deep emotional wounds present within these individuals. Only God's love is powerful enough to overcome the painful loneliness and sadness, insecurities and fears by providing a feeling of being deeply loved, special, and safe at every life stage. As the emotional wounds are healed, homosexual attractions and behaviors diminish and eventually disappear.
In regard to the success of psychotherapy in treating homosexuality, in 1962 Bieber reported a cure rate from psychoanalysis of 27 percent. A recent survey of 285 psychoanalysts who had treated 1,215 homosexual patients revealed that 23 percent of their patients changed to heterosexuality. These traditional treatment approaches did not utilize either a process of forgiveness for resolving the inner resentment or Christian spirituality and meditation for the sadness, low self-esteem, and mistrust. In marked contrast, when forgiveness and Christian spirituality are essential parts of the treatment, it has been my clinical experience that the recovery rate from the emotional pain and subsequent homosexual behavior approaches 100% in those who are truly committed to the process.
Understanding
....Identifying and understanding the various types of emotional conflicts at different life stages are the first steps in the recovery process. These wounds are inflicted most often in childhood and early adolescence and arise from disappointments with parents, siblings, or peers....
Forgiveness
The resolution of excessive anger is essential in the healing of various emotional and addictive disorders and in the healing of homosexual attractions......
In a number of severe emotionally traumatic events from childhood and adolescence, the betrayal pain is so profound that forgiveness on a natural level is impossible. In such cases spiritual forgiveness exercises are recommended.
....Identifying and understanding the various types of emotional conflicts at different life stages are the first steps in the recovery process. These wounds are inflicted most often in childhood and early adolescence and arise from disappointments with parents, siblings, or peers....
Forgiveness
The resolution of excessive anger is essential in the healing of various emotional and addictive disorders and in the healing of homosexual attractions......
In a number of severe emotionally traumatic events from childhood and adolescence, the betrayal pain is so profound that forgiveness on a natural level is impossible. In such cases spiritual forgiveness exercises are recommended.
There are much more at http://www.counselingcatholics.com/arti ... ality.html
My point is the interesting fact that christian spiritual healing in this case results in almost 100% rate of recovery compared to traditional psychotherapy of 20%. This is the conclusion.
Conclusion
An urgent need exists to examine the truth in regard to homosexuality, both morally and psychologically. Recently, Pope John Paul II stated, "We need now more than ever to have the courage to look truth in the eye and to call things by their proper name, without yielding to convenient compromises or to the temptation of self-deception". As the teacher of truth, the Church affirms in the Catechism that "homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity, are intrinsically disordered, and under no circumstances can be approved".
Psychologically, homosexual attractions and acts arise from a number of very specific emotional hurts and conflicts in childhood, adolescence, and adult life. These wounds were not clearly and fully identified in the past by mental health professionals, nor were they healed in the majority of cases. The reasons for this are because the mental health field in its early stage of development has failed to understand and incorporate forgiveness to remove the significant betrayal anger in these individuals and has not provided Christian spirituality to resolve their sadness, mistrust, low self-esteem, and addictive behavior. Fortunately, Catholic spirituality, combined with good psychotherapy, can result in a complete healing of those with this disorder.
My point is the interesting fact that christian spiritual healing in this case results in almost 100% rate of recovery compared to traditional psychotherapy of 20%. This is the conclusion.
Conclusion
An urgent need exists to examine the truth in regard to homosexuality, both morally and psychologically. Recently, Pope John Paul II stated, "We need now more than ever to have the courage to look truth in the eye and to call things by their proper name, without yielding to convenient compromises or to the temptation of self-deception". As the teacher of truth, the Church affirms in the Catechism that "homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity, are intrinsically disordered, and under no circumstances can be approved".
Psychologically, homosexual attractions and acts arise from a number of very specific emotional hurts and conflicts in childhood, adolescence, and adult life. These wounds were not clearly and fully identified in the past by mental health professionals, nor were they healed in the majority of cases. The reasons for this are because the mental health field in its early stage of development has failed to understand and incorporate forgiveness to remove the significant betrayal anger in these individuals and has not provided Christian spirituality to resolve their sadness, mistrust, low self-esteem, and addictive behavior. Fortunately, Catholic spirituality, combined with good psychotherapy, can result in a complete healing of those with this disorder.
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ในทางจิตวิทยาเนี่ย การรักร่วมเพศเป็นผล/อาการทางจิตจาก ปัญหาในวัยเด็กของคนๆนั้น
ปัญหาต่างๆ ที่รุมเร้าเข้ามาและไม่ได้รับการรักษาดูแลอย่างถูกวิธี ทำให้พัฒนาการหยุดชะงัก
การทำความเข้าใจและการให้อภัยกับสาเหตุแห่งปัญหานั้นจึงโดนบิดเบือนและส่งผลออกมา
ในสภาพที่ซึมเศร้า การไม่ไว้วางใจ ความมั่นใจต่ำ และเกิดพฤติกรรมเสพติดต่างๆ
ทั้งนี้ทั้งนั้นแล้ว พระศาสนจักรก็ยังไม่ได้ละเลยหรือปล่อยผ่านไป เพราะถ้าเรามีความเชื่อที่ดีและบวกกับการรักษาที่ถูกต้อง พบว่าการนิยมรักร่วมเพศแบบนี้สามารถที่จะรักษาให้หายขาดได้
สาเหตุที่พระศาสนจักรไม่ยอมรับการนิยมรักร่วมเพศ ก็เพราะมันเป็นเรื่องผิดธรรมชาติ
ในทางจิตวิทยาเนี่ย การรักร่วมเพศเป็นผล/อาการทางจิตจาก ปัญหาในวัยเด็กของคนๆนั้น
ปัญหาต่างๆ ที่รุมเร้าเข้ามาและไม่ได้รับการรักษาดูแลอย่างถูกวิธี ทำให้พัฒนาการหยุดชะงัก
การทำความเข้าใจและการให้อภัยกับสาเหตุแห่งปัญหานั้นจึงโดนบิดเบือนและส่งผลออกมา
ในสภาพที่ซึมเศร้า การไม่ไว้วางใจ ความมั่นใจต่ำ และเกิดพฤติกรรมเสพติดต่างๆ
ทั้งนี้ทั้งนั้นแล้ว พระศาสนจักรก็ยังไม่ได้ละเลยหรือปล่อยผ่านไป เพราะถ้าเรามีความเชื่อที่ดีและบวกกับการรักษาที่ถูกต้อง พบว่าการนิยมรักร่วมเพศแบบนี้สามารถที่จะรักษาให้หายขาดได้
ที่เคยเรียนมานี่การรักร่วมเพศไม่ได้เป็นผิดธรรมชาติอย่างที่หลายท่านเข้าใจนะครับ และตำราจิตเวชศาสตร์รุ่นใหม่ก็ไม่ได้ถือว่าเป็น disorder อีกต่อไปแล้ว หากแต่เป็นความสนใจทางเพศตามปกติของมนุษย์ที่เป็นคนส่วนน้อย เลยถูกสังคมมองว่าเป็นพวกแปลก ซึ่งพวกแปลกมักถูกมองในแง่ร้ายอยู่แล้ว
คิดว่าที่พระศานจักรยังไม่ให้การยอมรับในขณะนี้น่าจะเป็นเพราะยังไม่เปลี่ยนจุดยืนในการมองมากกว่า ถ้าในอนาคตมีการยอมรับว่าไม่ใช่เรื่องผิดปกติ คนรักร่วมเพศก็จะสามารถอยู่ในสังคมได้อย่างปกติสุข
ส่วนตัวผมไม่เคยเชื่อว่ามันเป็นบาปครับ
คิดว่าที่พระศานจักรยังไม่ให้การยอมรับในขณะนี้น่าจะเป็นเพราะยังไม่เปลี่ยนจุดยืนในการมองมากกว่า ถ้าในอนาคตมีการยอมรับว่าไม่ใช่เรื่องผิดปกติ คนรักร่วมเพศก็จะสามารถอยู่ในสังคมได้อย่างปกติสุข
ส่วนตัวผมไม่เคยเชื่อว่ามันเป็นบาปครับ
อีกเคสหนึ่ง ลีโอนาโด ดาร์วินชี่
ศิลปิน นักวิทยสตร์ เป็นพวกรักร่วมเพศ ตัวเค้าเองก็ยอมรับ
และเป็นพวก รุนแรงคล้ายๆๆต่อต้านศาสนา
แปลกน๊ะ ตอนนี่ลีโอนาโด ดาร์วินชี่ จะตาย ท่านได้สารภาพบาป ต่อพระเป็นเจ้า
นึกถึงพระองค์เมือ่ใกล้จะสิ้นลม
โดยมีกษัตริย์ ฝรั่งเศสเป็นพยาน เพราะลีโอนาโด ดาร์วินชี เป็นคนโปรดปรานของกษัตริย์ฝรั่งเศสค่ะ :D
ศิลปิน นักวิทยสตร์ เป็นพวกรักร่วมเพศ ตัวเค้าเองก็ยอมรับ
และเป็นพวก รุนแรงคล้ายๆๆต่อต้านศาสนา
แปลกน๊ะ ตอนนี่ลีโอนาโด ดาร์วินชี่ จะตาย ท่านได้สารภาพบาป ต่อพระเป็นเจ้า
นึกถึงพระองค์เมือ่ใกล้จะสิ้นลม
โดยมีกษัตริย์ ฝรั่งเศสเป็นพยาน เพราะลีโอนาโด ดาร์วินชี เป็นคนโปรดปรานของกษัตริย์ฝรั่งเศสค่ะ :D
I've heard about the modern psychology too ka... But what I don't understand is if it's not disorder why it can be cured ka? According to the article, why it can be recovered?... :)sansrepos เขียน: ที่เคยเรียนมานี่การรักร่วมเพศไม่ได้เป็นผิดธรรมชาติอย่างที่หลายท่านเข้าใจนะครับ และตำราจิตเวชศาสตร์รุ่นใหม่ก็ไม่ได้ถือว่าเป็น disorder อีกต่อไปแล้ว หากแต่เป็นความสนใจทางเพศตามปกติของมนุษย์ที่เป็นคนส่วนน้อย เลยถูกสังคมมองว่าเป็นพวกแปลก ซึ่งพวกแปลกมักถูกมองในแง่ร้ายอยู่แล้ว
คิดว่าที่พระศานจักรยังไม่ให้การยอมรับในขณะนี้น่าจะเป็นเพราะยังไม่เปลี่ยนจุดยืนในการมองมากกว่า ถ้าในอนาคตมีการยอมรับว่าไม่ใช่เรื่องผิดปกติ คนรักร่วมเพศก็จะสามารถอยู่ในสังคมได้อย่างปกติสุข
ส่วนตัวผมไม่เคยเชื่อว่ามันเป็นบาปครับ
I'd like to add more about this healing. .... I can infer from the article that homosexuality can be healed spiritually. In my opinion, I think all of us need spiritual healing and that's why we need God.... and we need to believe that God can heal us and He will heal us.
For example, the addictive behavior... All of us can addict to many things-- drug, alcohol, smoking or even television. All kinds of addiction is destructive to your soul. It occupies you the part that could be to God.... It inhibits the work of the Holy Spirit. .... Even though addiction can be cured by psychotherapy but I don't think we'll see a psychiatrist just because we are addictive to television... ( or webboard.. ;D ) We can pray so that God will heal us and get away our addictive behavior.
The last point is that isn't it good if we can uproot what causes us to sin something regularly? Sometimes it has to be done in spiritual level. .... If I were homosexual, I'd love God so much if God just heal me and I could wake up one morning, finding myself not to be homosexual anymore. ..... Homosexuality in itself may not be harmful, but it's good if we can change something in our lives... It's good to be a different (usually better) person. .... It'll be like a miracle to me. .... Miracles Do Happen... I'd say that this is a miracle too. The miracle that psychiatrists all think that homosexuality needs no therapy... but God can heal and can change them....
And this is a good news.... :)
For example, the addictive behavior... All of us can addict to many things-- drug, alcohol, smoking or even television. All kinds of addiction is destructive to your soul. It occupies you the part that could be to God.... It inhibits the work of the Holy Spirit. .... Even though addiction can be cured by psychotherapy but I don't think we'll see a psychiatrist just because we are addictive to television... ( or webboard.. ;D ) We can pray so that God will heal us and get away our addictive behavior.
The last point is that isn't it good if we can uproot what causes us to sin something regularly? Sometimes it has to be done in spiritual level. .... If I were homosexual, I'd love God so much if God just heal me and I could wake up one morning, finding myself not to be homosexual anymore. ..... Homosexuality in itself may not be harmful, but it's good if we can change something in our lives... It's good to be a different (usually better) person. .... It'll be like a miracle to me. .... Miracles Do Happen... I'd say that this is a miracle too. The miracle that psychiatrists all think that homosexuality needs no therapy... but God can heal and can change them....
And this is a good news.... :)
แก้ไขล่าสุดโดย Buddy เมื่อ อังคาร มิ.ย. 14, 2005 2:59 am, แก้ไขไปแล้ว 1 ครั้ง.
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เป็นไงเราไม่รู้ รู้แต่เราปวดหัวกะความรู้มนุษย์
เรารู้แค่ว่ารักพระที่สุดในโลกเล๊ยย ^^ แค่นี้เราก็พอแล้วละ
เรารู้แค่ว่ารักพระที่สุดในโลกเล๊ยย ^^ แค่นี้เราก็พอแล้วละ
Yes.. :) That's why God wants to heal us ja.. :)princess of wands เขียน: เป็นไงเราไม่รู้ รู้แต่เราปวดหัวกะความรู้มนุษย์
เรารู้แค่ว่ารักพระที่สุดในโลกเล๊ยย ^^ แค่นี้เราก็พอแล้วละ
แก้ไขล่าสุดโดย Buddy เมื่อ อังคาร มิ.ย. 14, 2005 6:11 am, แก้ไขไปแล้ว 1 ครั้ง.