บังเอิญกระทู้ในห้องข้างบนกำลังคุยกันเรื่อง "กัป" และเวลาอันยาวนานของคำๆนี้ และเลยไปถึงว่า พรหม มีอายุนานแค่ไหน กี่กัปกี่กัลป์ ฯลฯ ซึ่งย้อนกลับมาถึงที่ชาวบ้านบางคนชอบบอกว่า พระเจ้าเป็นเพียงแค่พรหมที่อายุยืนนาน จนนึกไปว่าตัวเองอยู่เป็นนิรันดร์ไม่มีวันตาย
ผมก็เลยอยากจะเอาเรื่องของ"เวลา" ในทรรศนะของมอร์มอนมาให้ท่านที่สนใจได้อ่านกัน (แต่อาจจะขอใครช่วยแปลหน่อยนะครับ ผมขี้เกียจแปล อากาศร้อน แหะๆ) แต่ไอเดียก็คือ สำหรับมอร์มอนแล้ว พระเจ้าไม่มีเวลาครับ
เอ่อ ไม่ใช่แปลว่าพระเจ้ายุ่งนะครับ ผมหมายความว่า สำหรับพระเจ้าแล้ว เวลาไม่มีจริงครับ มีแต่คนเท่านั้นที่สนเรื่องเวลา ดังนั้นพระเจ้าจะมาเป็นพรหมเป็นอะไรก็ไม่ได้ เพราะพรหมที่ว่า ยังไงก็ยังติดกับเวลาอยู่ดี มีการนับวันนับคืนอะไรไปตามเรื่อง
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Enjoy!
พระเจ้ากับเวลา (ตามทรรศนะมอร์มอน)
Several scriptures suggest that the way men perceive time upon the earth maynot be the way time really is throughout the universe. Alma 40:8 [1] suggests that only men measure time and that to God all time is as one day. Other scriptures suggest that all things are present before the Lord (see D&C 38:2 [2] ; Moses 1:6) [3] . Verses 4 through 7 in section 130 [4] suggest a similar concept, namely that past, present, and future are continually before the Lord and that time is relative to the planet on which one resides.
[1] (เป็นพระคัมภีร์ของมอร์มอน)
Now wheter there is more than one time appointed for men to rise it mattereth not; for all do not die at once, and this mattereth not; all is as one day with God, and time only is measured unto men.
[2] (เป็นพระคัมภีร์ของมอร์มอน)
The same which knoweth all things, for all things are present before mine eyes;
[3] (เป็นพระคัมภีร์ของมอร์มอน)
And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of min Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for his is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.
[4] (เป็นพระคัมภีร์ของมอร์มอน)
In answer to the question - Is not the reckoning of God's time, angel's time, prophet's time, and man's time, according to the planet on which they reside?
I answer, Yes. But there are no angels who minister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it.
The angels do not reside on a plant like this earth;
But they reside in the presence of God, on a globe like a sea of glass and fire, where all things for their glory are manifest, past, present, and future, and are continually before the Lord.
[1] (เป็นพระคัมภีร์ของมอร์มอน)
Now wheter there is more than one time appointed for men to rise it mattereth not; for all do not die at once, and this mattereth not; all is as one day with God, and time only is measured unto men.
[2] (เป็นพระคัมภีร์ของมอร์มอน)
The same which knoweth all things, for all things are present before mine eyes;
[3] (เป็นพระคัมภีร์ของมอร์มอน)
And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of min Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for his is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.
[4] (เป็นพระคัมภีร์ของมอร์มอน)
In answer to the question - Is not the reckoning of God's time, angel's time, prophet's time, and man's time, according to the planet on which they reside?
I answer, Yes. But there are no angels who minister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it.
The angels do not reside on a plant like this earth;
But they reside in the presence of God, on a globe like a sea of glass and fire, where all things for their glory are manifest, past, present, and future, and are continually before the Lord.
Only in the twentieth century has the field of physics begun to speak about time and space in a way that correspons to these revelatory statements. Albert Einstein, in the early part of this century, developed what is known as the theory of relativity. Einstein postulated that what men had assumed were absolutes in the physical world - space, gravity, speed, motion, time - were not absolutes at all but were interrelated with each other. That is why the theory was called the theory of relativity. Physicists now agree that a person's time reference will vary depending on this relative position in space.
Einstein also showed that if a body moves at very fast speeds (those approaching the speed of light, which is 186,000 miles per second), that body's time slows down in relation to the time of a body that is on earth; and for the body in motion, space contracts or shrinks. In other words, time and space are not two separate things but are interrelated. Physicists refer to this phenomenon as the space-time continuum. If an astronaut were to journey out into space at speeds approaching the speed of light, though to himself all would seem perfectly normal, to someone on earth it would appear as though his clock were ticking slower, his heart were beating slower, his metabolism operating slower, and so on. He would actually age more slowly than would a person who remained on the earth. Though the finite mind tends to reject such concepts, Einstein's theory suggests that men are victims of their own limited perceptions. Reality to man is a product of his relative position in the space-time continuum.
Einstein also showed that if a body moves at very fast speeds (those approaching the speed of light, which is 186,000 miles per second), that body's time slows down in relation to the time of a body that is on earth; and for the body in motion, space contracts or shrinks. In other words, time and space are not two separate things but are interrelated. Physicists refer to this phenomenon as the space-time continuum. If an astronaut were to journey out into space at speeds approaching the speed of light, though to himself all would seem perfectly normal, to someone on earth it would appear as though his clock were ticking slower, his heart were beating slower, his metabolism operating slower, and so on. He would actually age more slowly than would a person who remained on the earth. Though the finite mind tends to reject such concepts, Einstein's theory suggests that men are victims of their own limited perceptions. Reality to man is a product of his relative position in the space-time continuum.
According to this theory, if a being achieved the speed of light, to that being all space would contract to the point that it would be "here" for him, and all time would slow down until it became "now" for him. Descriptions of God use terms related to light to describe his nature. He is a being of light and glory. The theory of relativity suggests that for a being of light, all space and all time would be present! As incredible as such a concept is, increasingly sophisticated experiments continue to substantiate Einstein's theoretical description of the realities of the universe.
Lael Woodbury, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University [1] , talked about man's perception of time and God's perception of time in an address sponsored by the Church Educational System [2] :
" The evidence suggests that God ... perceives time as we perceive space. That's why ' all things are before him, and all things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all things ' [D&C 88:41]. Time, like space, is 'continually before the Lord.'...
[1] หนึ่งในมหาวิทยาลัยของทางศาสนจักรของพระเยซูคริสต์แห่งสิทธิชนยุคสุดท้าย (มอร์มอน)
[2] หน่วยงานในการให้การศึกษาด้านศาสนศาสตร์ของทางศาสนจักร
Lael Woodbury, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University [1] , talked about man's perception of time and God's perception of time in an address sponsored by the Church Educational System [2] :
" The evidence suggests that God ... perceives time as we perceive space. That's why ' all things are before him, and all things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all things ' [D&C 88:41]. Time, like space, is 'continually before the Lord.'...
[1] หนึ่งในมหาวิทยาลัยของทางศาสนจักรของพระเยซูคริสต์แห่งสิทธิชนยุคสุดท้าย (มอร์มอน)
[2] หน่วยงานในการให้การศึกษาด้านศาสนศาสตร์ของทางศาสนจักร
"... Right now we perceive music in time as a blind man perceives form in space - sequentially. he explores with his fingers, noting form, texture, contours, rhythms. He holds each perception in his mind, one by one, carefully adding one to the other, until he synthesizes his concept of what that space object must be like. You and I don't do that. We perceive a space object immediately. We simply look at it, and to a certain degree we 'know' it. We do [not] go through a one-by-one, sequential, additive process. We percieve that it is, and we are able to distinguish it from any other object.
"I'm suggesting that god perceives time as instantaneously as we perceive space. For us, time is difficult. Lacking higher facility, we are as blind about time as a sightless man is about space. We perceive time in the same way that we perceive music - sequentially. We explore the rhythm, pitch, amplitude, texture, theme, harmonies, parallels, and contrasts. And from our perceptions we synthesize our concept of the object or event - the musical artwork - that existed in its entirety before we began our examination of it.
"I'm suggesting that god perceives time as instantaneously as we perceive space. For us, time is difficult. Lacking higher facility, we are as blind about time as a sightless man is about space. We perceive time in the same way that we perceive music - sequentially. We explore the rhythm, pitch, amplitude, texture, theme, harmonies, parallels, and contrasts. And from our perceptions we synthesize our concept of the object or event - the musical artwork - that existed in its entirety before we began our examination of it.
"Equally complete now is each of our lives before the Lord. We explore them sequentially because we are time-blind. But the Lord, perceiving time as space, sees us as we are, not as we are becoming. We are, for him, beings without time. We are continually before him - the totality of our psyches, personalities, bodies, choices, and behaviors." ( Continually before the Lord, Commissioner's Lecture Series [ Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1974], pp. 5-6)
Einstein's theory is only a theory, although it is being substantiated again and again as a valid representation of reality. How God operates through the vastness of space and the eternity of time has not been revealed in specific detail, but what information man has been given harmonizes with what physicists are discovering about the interrelationship of space and time. While it cannot be definitely stated how God operates, modern physics suggests that since he is indeed a being of light, then past, present and future are continually before him.
(จากหนังสือเรียนวิชา Doctrine and Covenants หน้า 322)
Einstein's theory is only a theory, although it is being substantiated again and again as a valid representation of reality. How God operates through the vastness of space and the eternity of time has not been revealed in specific detail, but what information man has been given harmonizes with what physicists are discovering about the interrelationship of space and time. While it cannot be definitely stated how God operates, modern physics suggests that since he is indeed a being of light, then past, present and future are continually before him.
(จากหนังสือเรียนวิชา Doctrine and Covenants หน้า 322)
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